LARGE SCALE CONSTRUCTION & NEW TECHNOLOGY
There has been a lot of innovation and technology brought into bathrooms over the last two or…
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Triona McHugh is the Specification Manager for Ideal Standard in Ireland. She regularly works on large scale installs for major projects nationally.
For a short video of the new Intellimix tap, see www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiFxQbp1bQw
Jennifer Bonus has 20s year experience with builders providers doing mains and drains pipes, valves and fittings before become Chadwicks Key Account Manager for Commercial Sanitary Ware.
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This week on under construction with chadwicks.
Aidan Power 0:04
This week we're finding out about innovation and tech in large scale construction with a focus on bathrooms. seatbelt on,
check your mirrors, volume on the under construction podcast with Aiden power and Franco, starts now.
Aidan Power 0:22
So Fred, the bathroom or that the washroom as the Americans say, or the jacks as we like to put it, it's sometimes not a happy place for you. Is that right? No,
Fred Cooke 0:29
it is. It's probably when I do a gig on stage and I come offstage and go straight to the toilet and go into the cubicle. I never got a more honest review of my show at that moment because this guy just lined up against your angels either praise me or giving out crap so it's a horrific are fantastic. I can never I can never tell.
Aidan Power 0:49
So that is the the best and worst place to find that if you've if you've bombed or if you've done a great show.
Fred Cooke 0:55
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But saying that now you know what I mean? Because toilets aren't that but they can be a great place or they can be a terrible place. Like I was on this toilet inspector calm. Have you seen this? It's a global website that reveals toilets,
Aidan Power 1:07
a friend, we've all gone down rabbit holes, but I've yet to find myself on toilet inspected, calm it, would you recommend it? What's that?
Fred Cooke 1:14
Well, it's worth your while if you're in the holidays. Like for example, all the toilets are marked out of 40. So the like the greatest toilet on this website, and the best toilet in the world, according to this website is the shard in London, you know, the shard is the tallest building. It's like, but the beautiful thing about this is because it's a massive, you know, it's like a massive long pyramid. So the higher you go up, the smaller space, you go towards the top. So for some reason, it's like the very peak of the shard is like this little triangular toilet and it's amazing. If you looked at the picture, just google it the shard toilet it's like sitting on the cloud. It's like having a poo on the cloud looking over London. absolutely incredible. And like this is taking up full points or gym floor older running water toilet roll, it's just this is just amazing. So that was like
Aidan Power 2:06
pick up points for running water
Unknown Speaker 2:09
Fred Cooke 2:12
Well, that's the thing I was like, like this is this is a free experience as well, like you're not but he gets the it's worth it. Just to sit down and close the door and meditate for 10 minutes and, and then right. So then there's like thinking okay, so this is an A, this is an England so let's What about Ireland? I looked at the website. Now the only toilets that are reviewed in Ireland on this website are in Letterkenny Donegal, for some reason someone wants to talk to Jay at review toilets, Letterkenny Donegal. So it's all the pubs and all the restaurants and Bernie, go all right. That's it. I mean, if you want to if you want to sit down and have a good bit of space yourself to shard and the UK is the place to go. We're Letterkenny. Tony called.
Aidan Power 2:55
Well, Fred, I've been doing my own research into toilets this week as well. Not reviews of them. But what are the best and indeed, at the most expensive. So where do you think the most expensive toilets in the in the world is
Fred Cooke 3:08
in the world? I'd say just for decades. I'd say Dubai. That's where I'm thinking device.
Aidan Power 3:14
Okay, well, by saying world I'm probably not being specific enough because it's not actually on planet Earth. It's on the International Space Station. That's how to say Longford. on the International Space Station is worth $19 million built by the Russians in 2008. But anyway, back down here on planet Earth. Many in the super toilet industry consider this to be the world's best toilet. It is the cooler nummy it'll set you back around 7000 euro, and it has many many features including an automatic glaze led that will open and close using a sensor. An integrated air dryer has a deodorizer it also has a dock for music's plug your phone in. And it has a touch screen that you can watch Netflix on for the ultimate toilet experience. Now, with that said, there's been a lot of innovation and technology brought into bathrooms over the last two or three years some of it has been brought about because of COVID some because of Brexit and some because of changing attitudes in society. So this week, we'll find out more about that from our guests, both of whom work with some very large scale projects here in Ireland.
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Aidan Power 4:29
So first, let's get to our photo of the week where you WhatsApp us a photo of some work that you are proud of so proud that you want to share it with everyone listening. So if you look at your phone or whatever device you're listening on right now you should see a photo of a skylight. That looks like it's splitting a house in half. And here is Thomas Davis to tell us more about the job he did.
Unknown Speaker 4:48
Hi, this is Thomas from w construction. Here's a picture of one of our recent projects and has a huge score low that means a vertical pain. And this is not only great Looking for and helps throw a lot of light from the very back of the extension Roy to a true into the middle of the house that's lacking all the windows. So it looks great. And it actually serves a purpose. Move over Dermot Bannon Let there be light impressed Fred. Joe, I
Fred Cooke 5:19
heard that, uh, you know, back in the back maybe like 150 years ago, you had to pay more taxes for more Windows you have. So tax is not a problem for this guy here. It's unbelievable. That's true. Yeah,
Aidan Power 5:32
yeah. More glass more tax. Interesting. Well, Thomas, well done. And thanks for sharing that particular photo with us. And if you'd like to share a photo of some work that you are proud of, you can send us a WhatsApp and a voice note telling us all about it. Our number is Oh, eight 777 54 triple five. And that number, as always, is in the show description.
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Aidan Power 5:56
right, let's get into chatting about innovation and technology and construction with a particular focus on bathrooms in large scale construction projects like hotels, office blocks, hospitals, and so on and sharing her 20 years experience. And the big changes that she's seen particularly in the last two years is Trina McHugh from ideal standards Trina welcome, how are you? Good. Thank you, Aiden. What have you noticed Trina in the in the last number of years about how your industry has changed and the perhaps that's regulation perhaps that societal attitudes we talked about, you know, inclusivity gender identity, things like that, how has that impacted in the bathroom area?
Triona McHugh 6:35
Well, just say for example, it would apartments I would definitely say that and a huge amount of apartments on hotel, which will be we would we would describe as high rise are pretty much off site construction there. So the bathroom is manufactured in a facility off site. So basically like nearly Lego, and then they crane it in to the to the building. So then they only just literally have to connect the pipe work to the main pipe work in the building. So a huge amount of construction is going off site. point is that. And I suppose if you take for example, if you are building an apartment block and Dublin City Centre, you would have restrictions around travel, parking, you know, having a huge amount of, say, labor in a small area and tie time, a lot of things, it's just quickens up the process, and it makes more sense to have everything off site. Like in some cases, a lot of these parts that that's what they call them are coming in from Italy, Spain, Poland, we do have in the past 12 or 18 months, maybe five or six pod manufacturers now established in Ireland, or prior to that over the past five years was very few of them. So that's a huge change in the construction industry.
Aidan Power 7:57
And what about single sex toilets, contained cubicles, schools, etc. It's a hot topic and a contentious topic for some people as well. Is that an area you have to deal with?
Triona McHugh 8:09
Yeah, so the Department of Education just an April or after issuing new guidelines around construction of new skills and upgrading of existing skills. So going forward, there won't be boys and girls toilets in in new construction, it will be single sex, unisex, WCS. So they will be self contained cubicles ceiling to floor with soap in some cases with wash on base and within the cubicle. In other cases, you will have like a washing area outside what maybe like one entrance like not having like just one entrance into the bathroom as well having dual entrances into the bathroom, which is all around, you know, people are feeling vulnerable and bathrooms, that kind of thing. In public spaces and office buildings. There's a lot of these self enclosed cubicles now where you don't have washed trough areas where people are standing side by side buildings are being designed now a lot of them will have a WC animation base within the cubicle, which will also double up as a unisex or a gender neutral toilet space.
Aidan Power 9:11
Okay, so the impact of COVID is not exclusively why their bathroom design is changing. But perhaps it's quickening the pace. Yeah, so
Triona McHugh 9:20
you've to fall. So projects that I say would be working on at the moment that pre tender stage, they call them which is before just at design stage, like they realistically won't go to site for a minimum of two years. So what you have at the moment is you have projects that are probably starting on site that the car they're doing COVID reviews on. So where can we make changes. So biggest changes would be around non torch sensor flushing toilets, sensor taps, anything that requires nobody to torch anything really. And a lot of those reviews are going on with existing projects with new projects or they're putting those elements in right from the get go. So there's There's no need to change. There is obviously a cost or glyphed involved in this technology can be expensive. But like, for example, we would have had one range of sensor types over the past number of years, called sensor flow. Recently, we're after bringing in a budget range. And we also then thereafter bringing in a new device called intelli mix, which is a soap and water device and more. So you're getting yourself on your water out of the one, one device, which is our non touch.
Aidan Power 10:30
Right. Okay. And then maybe that leads us on nicely to water conservation, when you talk about the the the intelli mix there, what innovations that we've seen in that area?
Triona McHugh 10:41
Yeah, I mean, basically, what a lot of the foreign direct investment coming into Ireland, and you would see those like big tech companies in particular, and pharma companies hoovering up a lot of the office space. They're looking for what's called lead, and compliance, which is an American accreditation all around making your building more environmentally friendly. And obviously, from our perspective, how you would do that as reducing the water, you would see like taps going down as low as 1.3 liters a minute. Whereas a normal tap, to put it in perspective would have been around five liters a minute, and that was even restricted at five liters a minute. So it's a huge drop off in the volume of water that's being used. waterless urinals are going to be the big 10. Going forward. Again, to put it in perspective, a couple of years ago, we had worn waterless urinal and our range, we now have six. So it's definitely the way it's going to go. Toilets flush in as low as on a full flush four liters of water. But as I always say, every action has a reaction, in my opinion. And in our experience, if you're going to flush less water to the toilet, you should flush as much as you can even with with savings, because all you're going to do was is push your problem down the line. You're still laughing, but I think we all understand what yours Yeah, so it is a really glamorous business this ad So unfortunately, yes. Shit, those roll downhill, you know, you can end up with a big pile of us somewhere. So yeah, it is a big change. And we can achieve a lot of it, we can adapt a lot of our product to achieve the lead. And I would work with they have lead consultants on a lot of the larger projects. So I'd work with those guys to say, right, this is what we have, how can we achieve lead. And if we can't achieve it with a product that's proposed or specified, we offer another product to achieve the waterside. Just another
Aidan Power 12:44
quick one on COVID. Before we before we move on, as it has COVID affected the manufacturing of bathroom products,
Triona McHugh 12:50
massively, and like everything, I mean, I know everyone was queuing for toilet rolls and all sorts of things like that. But you know, there is humans making this product. And so we have factories all over Europe. Our product is primarily made in Europe, Italy, Germany, make our taps the UK with huge manufacturing facilities, new UK, Italy, Bulgaria. So when COVID had every region had different restrictions, so our factories literally on a Monday, and a lot of these countries just shut down. Which means there's no like it's clay that goes into a machine that's fired. It just they just stopped making it's like a bakery not baking bread anymore, you know, so the order still builds Oh, and obviously because of the situation we had, you saw that rapid build hospital that was done in London, all Armitage Shanks sinks and taps went in there, there was hundreds of them. So like we were staying under huge pressure to produce medical taps, medical basins, which then became our our primary product that we add to manufacture. So all the other products which again, to put in perspective, we make knowing titles and products and our range, it's huge. So we focused on what was needed immediately for the hospitals like the HSC. We supplied about 500 Medical basins here in Ireland to the HSE to upgrade all their facilities to push and COVID pop up testing centers are needed medical basins, the City West hospital that they put in. So we were really busy. And we you know, we were able to supply your support, it did put the manufacturing under huge pressure where you went from 12 hour shifts that they had to then start running the factories 24 hours a day, which meant, you know, more shifts, more labor, you know, increased costs, basically. And that's why the cost of construction has gone off when the cost of product has risen over the past 18 months
Aidan Power 14:52
to the thank you for sharing some of the innovation and technology that we're seeing in large scale projects. It's been fascinating but don't go anywhere because you'll be taken on our pod Quiz very soon
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Aidan Power 15:14
We have a competition going on where we want to sort you out with something in Chadwick's that maybe is a luxury or is being on your wish list something you want, but don't want to drop a couple of 100 quid on it. And we call that thing, the tool of dreams. Now each week for the crack, we set Fred a challenge to come up with a jingle in the style of someone famous and seen as we're talking about bathrooms this week, Fred, I would like you to base your song on a singer or a band who've had a number one or a number two in the chat.
Unknown Speaker 15:42
What do you reckon?
Fred Cooke 15:43
Well, I guess the first comes to mind is e to one love.
Aidan Power 15:48
Yeah, too obvious and we did bother last week so yeah, rice, put on your guitar and sing about an artist or a band who've had a number one or a number two take it away I
Fred Cooke 15:58
got it. I got it. 2321 only so sin is your joke today. And if you're not funny that still okay to let dreams
Aidan Power 16:20
brilliant, the one and only chairs the Hawks like that even if it's not funny, send it in as well. Right to get your tool of dreams. We're asking you to send us a voice note on WhatsApp what your joke or funny story The number is Oh, eight 777 54 triple five. And the 10 that we use across the podcast series will all go into a draw in a few weeks time to win. So here's this week's contender. It's Jonathan Gibson in Monaghan.
Joke of the Week 16:47
So a garda walking down O'Connell Street and he sees two people person on the side of a building. And he goes over to them and he says, large I'm taking your names and addresses. And he asked the first guy he's like, What's your name? He goes is derrimut McLaughlin. And he goes, What's your address? And he says no fixed abode. He says you What's your name? He says Daryl Mitchell Kennedy. He says, What's your address? Oh, I live in the apartment of Declan.
Aidan Power 17:16
Oh, God, I didn't know where that was going. Fred. You're
Fred Cooke 17:18
the comedian. What's your thoughts? Oh, yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. It makes no sense. And that's why I love it. It's so larger, isn't it?
Aidan Power 17:26
All right, if you have a joke that beats that, and I'm sure you be listening, God, I can't be that well send us a WhatsApp message. What your joke Oh, eight 777 54 triple five. And that number is always in our show notes description.
This is the under construction podcast from Chadwick's. Let's get into
Aidan Power 17:44
continuing our theme of bathrooms in large construction projects like hotels or office blocks. Let's find out how chadwicks fit into the equation. So to tell us more about the challenges and how they overcome them. Here is chadwicks key account manager for commercial sanitary ware. Jennifer bonus. Jennifer, welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much. How are you? Very well. Thanks. That's a mighty fine job title. You have
basic job titles very long job type, both my sci fi
Aidan Power 18:11
and it's accurate. So what kind of scale of projects do chadwicks supply to How big?
Oh, you know, I think we're chadwicks like we have such a diverse market when it comes to large scale projects. We could do anything from a 10 bed refurb and a hospital all the way to a 400 bed new build hospital like you know, which is massive like but every one of them is definitely a learning experience along the way, you know.
Aidan Power 18:36
So let's talk about the different types of bathrooms because not all bathrooms were created equal and what considerations you need to keep in mind for the different ones. So let's say you mentioned hospitals let's start there. What are the considerations for a hospital bathroom that would differ?
Oh look hospitals are like unique really because there are very like I think it's a very uniformed, there's no messing around with it and that's it has to be correct. But I definitely think when it comes to like the likes of hotels especially you know you have different grades of hotels, you could have really American hotel, which would be absolutely fantastic. Because you get to kind of use your imagination a bit more you know, you get to see how the other half lives. You get to see things like you will never have in your own bathroom. And I think that's fascinating. You know and you get and I think in places like for up markers, restaurants, hotels, bars, even they really set the trend for what the current market situation is. A lot of it is brass at the moment so you will have wall mounted gorgeous brass taps. Obviously a majority of them now are our sensor operators. And like you literally can walk into a bathroom though and not press a button you can go and you can go into the bathroom. You can flush the toilet when you know using your hand sensor flush operators. You can wash your hands as sensor operators. You go to use the soap at sensor operator and then you dry your hands and a sensor operated. So you literally can like walk through whole bathroom and never touch anything they would like. It's fascinating though, like, you know, how far it's moved on. And where we are, especially in this current time. It's like,
Aidan Power 20:15
what's the wildest or most intriguing? Order you've had for for a hotel? Have you put a goat? Is there a gold toilet anywhere in in, in a hotel in Ireland?
No, not that I know of if there is like, like to see us. Like, I definitely think look, I mean, going back when the Euro Celtic Tiger days, like, you know what I mean, there was like, you know, you I one particular hotel I was dealing with at the time, and they used to fly in this German architect every Monday morning. And he used to fly out every Friday evening again. And he had like, saw that at the time, you would think that they were mad ideas that were completely out there. But like he was probably ahead of his time, like, and in other time, this off market restaurant decided black toilets was the way to go, you know, but obviously, you're looking at them in a brochure, or you're looking at them in the screen, and they look beautiful. And I need to get these imported from Italy like, and so you put them into the toilet cubicles, but wall not furnishings around so it's all dark. So you literally can't see the toilet bowl like so people could see the toy. The seat size, we changed on how to put a white seat and cover on a black toilet so people could actually see it. Like, you're always stuck out my head because I was like, oh, but anyway, you know, these things happen. Like it's all a learning process like
Aidan Power 21:39
now when it comes to Sanitary Ware, what are the big sellers at the moment?
sensor sensor everything sensor operator, it seems to be a big salary at all. I mean, at one point, they're like at the highest of the COVID. Like, you're going to wait 12 weeks for a sensor operated soap dispenser like generous. I mean, so like it was massive business, all of a sudden, everybody wanted touch free soap dispensers touch free taps. So you would have had like a lot of refurbs like for people who are doing like, do new fit outs that might have just been putting in like a non Casa for a minor or mechanical operator top, all of a sudden they're putting in sensor operated. So obviously there's look with that comes up lifts and costs as well to wash. Like I mean, the long term, you know, the long term product is better really like if you're looking at it like that to put in sensor. And I think definitely for people sensor seems to be the way to go right now because of COVID as well to
Fred Cooke 22:41
what's coming down the pipe, no pun intended for the next year or two. Give me a joke, that's a mistake.
I honestly for I just definitely think the technology is out there. Like I mean, it's going to be the way I think we're going to have, like, you know, there's wash and dry toilets, right. And wash and dry toilets really is something of the future like people are using them. No, but I don't think they're being used enough. Like in certain situations, I can offer so many independent living for longer in an ageing population as well, that people that might not have been able to stay at home before in their own house. Because, you know, for whatever reason, you have a wash and dry toilet like and it can change like people's environment around them and make life easier. And it's not just for Independent Living, it's for like, you know, you can program your toilets, like, you know, you could have like a built in BJ as well like Joe's I mean, so it's like technology, I think in our bathrooms and also as well to like obviously we're hosting crisis and stuff like that, you know, people are having a smaller space to live in. Which means like, you could have a situation where you have a toilet that will have a base and on top of the toilet. So like to cut down for your space. So like you have your toilets and you have a base and an attack nearly all in one like together like you know, that's where the market oil tank will be heading for the future like
Aidan Power 24:13
Wow, so there's been huge innovation and and I don't mean to be trite or vulgar in how I phrase this I certainly don't mean to be but we were living in a cashless society, a paperless society. At the end of the toilet paper society, toilet paper industry is where we will we get to the day where we will be wiping our own butts,
you know, wash people labrie we are what's going on in Japan and China and places like that where they are with their toilets. I definitely think you know what it will become more economical, maybe not to use toilet paper all the time and that people will have a situation where you won't have a public toilet with loads of toilet rolls. That may be you will go in and you will have a situation where you You will have like a built in ba and you will be drained afterwards in the same toilets. That is a possibility. Oh, well I think it is anyway. So you know, so maybe because we have to think of the future you know, everyone's talking about what you know and be economical which are water so and also like you had to be economical with paper, who knows where we'll be. There you go.
Aidan Power 25:23
Interesting times ahead. And indeed at the moment, Jennifer bonus key account manager for commercial Sanitary Ware chadwicks. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thanks so much.
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Aidan Power 25:42
Trina McHugh from ideal standards is back with us to take on our podcast now Trina you are playing on behalf of one of our chadwicks customer if you win they get a customized answering message by Fred cook now this week. We are playing for Ms. And he is a plumber from cork. Fred we got a song in mind for Ms should should own a
Fred Cooke 26:04
cork and work plumber and bomber. So Ms. I couldn't run Ms. But we'll see what happens.
Aidan Power 26:12
Okay, I think we're gonna hear foamer at some point well, let's find out if Trina is going to win the prize. Train it you've trained it you've got to get three questions right in 60 seconds. Good luck. Your time starts now. Question one, how old is Armitage Shanks 200 years we will accept its 240
Fred Cooke 26:33
Kareena what kind of key is commonly used to assemble flat pack furniture and Alan Kay Yes, fantastic.
Aidan Power 26:41
What word is the name of a Guns and Roses guitarist and a way that we might say in Ireland that we're going to the Lw s slash
Fred Cooke 26:53
in the USA which f is a common word for top. fossa. Yeah, fantastic.
Triona McHugh 27:01
All right Trina who presents the RT TV show DIY SOS. I'm gonna say bars. I can't pronounce the second name as ash Mary.
Fred Cooke 27:15
True or false? True or false. The world's largest famous toilet inventor is Thomas Cropper. True. Fantastic. He held. He held patents for the floating balik and invented to you Ben.
Aidan Power 27:29
Well, Trina, well done. So that means Emma's our plumber in Cork. It gets his voicemail from Fred cook, Fred, zip up and put on your guitar and let's hear yourself.
Fred Cooke 27:39
You've reached the fold of Emmett from cork leave a message. I know it's a bummer, but I'm so busy. Busy at work. busy being a plumber. Yeah, leave a message.
Aidan Power 27:57
But my plumber, nicely done Fred trade. Congratulations. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. Well, if you'd like Fred to do your voicemail message just send us a WhatsApp 2087 7754 triple five. And as always, you'll find that number in the show description.
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Aidan Power 28:26
well that's it for this week's podcast spread What did we learn?
Fred Cooke 28:30
You know what I learned a lot and I guess I would toilets and COVID we have to be so careful now, where we put our hands and stuff that toilets have become the new chocolate muffins for me now I'm not allowed to touch them.
Aidan Power 28:43
But thank you to Trina McHugh from ideal standard Jennifer bonus from Chadwick's and to you for listening. Remember, if you want our WhatsApp number to win our competition, the Tula dreams or send in your photo of the week. Our contact details are in the shownotes along with all the details and links for our show today. We will be back with another podcast next Monday. And remember to hit the Follow button on your podcast app to get under construction every week. Until next time for me Aiden power and Fred cook Enjoy the rest of your week. slom The yonder
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Date: 28th Jun 2021