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Pat Barry is Chief Executive Officer of the Irish Green Building Council which he co-founded in 2010. He is an Architect with over 20 years of experience in Ireland, Europe and South America, a Masters in Environmental design of buildings from University of Cardiff and is a qualified Passive House and DGNB consultant.
David Calt is with the Chadwicks Group for nine years. Before that he spent fourteen years in the Plumbing Merchants business working across the greater Dublin area. Today he is Regional H&P Sales Manager for Chadwicks, looking after all things plumbing in 13 Branches across the North East, Midlands and West coast.
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This week on under construction with Chadwick
Aidan Power 0:05
as you're very welcome to this week's podcast, we are talking about sustainability this week, which is not just good for the planet. It's good for business too. And we've got lots of ideas to share plus another chance for you to win your to love dream.
mirrors, volume the under construction podcast with Asian power and Franco start starts. Now.
Aidan Power 0:29
So Fred, how are you? And how is your first week being back in inverted commas? normal life we have the pubs open, we've got the gyms open, the cinemas are back open. Have you been to any or all three? I've been to one. And I think you can guess from that those three Which one? It is?
Fred Cooke 0:44
I had not. I had our takeaway point. And then also so exhausted after it because I hadn't drank outside in ages. And then I got to the cinema as well. Which is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, my god that would take so long to these movies where I'm from, I might as well be going to the money pitch. That 1986 Classic with Tom Hanks. You know what I mean? That that can be taken with the money paid like, you know, because the kind of deeds will construction. And then what other movies probably do deal with construction when we are on this podcast? I was thinking well, ultimately, the lego movie that whole movie is based on construction business. I mean, without without Lego, that movie wouldn't happen whatsoever. And then it will take that as well. Does this definitely work? People in construction came together brilliantly like The Great Escape. Oh, yes. Remember that movie? Like building tree tunnels? Yes. I did remember the name of the tunnel. I do. Tom, Dick, and Harry. Bringing you in again. Aiden, you tried to I tried to hope you'd fail. So and the reason why they call him Tom, Dick and Harry is that no one else will know what they're talking about.
Aidan Power 1:53
Quality of here's when I put you on the spot. Now. What if chadwicks did a movie? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What would it be called? And who would be in it?
Fred Cooke 2:02
I'd say I'm thinking Steven Seagal. What would I do violence and more of the building.
Aidan Power 2:11
He's just going to read karate chopping blocks. Maybe he's got his house. He's got a tool belt. He's got a power drill on their side. We call it Chadwick. Like john wicks all very good. Starring Steven Seagal on the revenge mission, because somebody stole his toolbox.
Fred Cooke 2:30
Yeah, you'd need Laura Croft in there as well. running across but instead of having guns and all that on her side, you know, to me like Rhonda hips you'd have like she'd have a hammer and
more on the mission like to save people to like different. I know land mines be more or less just calling around to a building site.
Aidan Power 2:52
She's just helped to safety. The hottest health, health and safety person we've had on site ever. Now let's get on to our photo of the week. This is where you share a WhatsApp with us have a photo of some work you are very proud of. And we share it with everyone listening. So have a look at your phone or wherever you're listening to us on right now. And you will see a photo of I think it only can be described press for the rotten skeleton of an old horsebox that ain't a euphemism of any kind. It literally is a dilapidated, wrecked old horse box.
Fred Cooke 3:26
Everything about everything about this needs work. Like it said, the woods rotten, the tires are empty. The metal is rusty. The only thing is flagged and is flags that were put around when it arrived. Well,
Aidan Power 3:39
we won't be showing you a photo of a rectal horsebox for no reason, because there's more to this story courtesy of Joanna who took this dilapidated horsebox and turned it into something rather remarkable.
Hi guys, my name is Joanna. And I'm currently making an horsebox Art Gallery. I found the horsebox on Done deal in Galway. Two days later, we got it delivered to our house on a truck as it was not roadworthy. I am the first job was to strip the ward as it was in disrepair. We had to get a fabricator or a welder in to do it off of big jobs. First of all, he caught out all the old metal floor, they have my husband, he put in a new chassis, draw bar, pitch wheels and brakes. And we are working everyday on himself. My husband loves us, he was able to show me how to cut out words. So I've been calling out words I've been measuring floors, Peter made bespoke cups that slide on tracks so we'd be able to hang paintings on it so we don't have to turn the walls into pink cushions. We've also made frames around the windows and doors and at this stage now at the moment we're looking now for glass through the window and doors. So we're sort of finished with part one, part two, we're going to build an extension inside that will open up and double the size of the floor. I decided to Put two doors in the front. So as we read your accessible, and we've done it ourselves, we've had no help really from anyone. And we're hoping to have it more by very soon touring around Gauri maybe ready for the Arts Festival. Pete feedback has been so positive, everyone has been so encouraging. I just love the horse box.
Aidan Power 5:21
Joanna, thank you so much. It's one of the more unusual projects we've heard about on this podcast. and dare I say, Fred, probably one of the most impressive, not just in the transformation from an rectoress box, to a very beautiful one. But to repurpose it as an art gallery is, it's really clever.
Fred Cooke 5:39
It's amazing, something that so successfully different. You know, when you see, as you said, when you seen the horse box in this dilapidated state, to have to have the vision of gone, you know what, I'm going to turn this into an art gallery. Unbelievable. And when you see the pictures, just great space to walk in. And, as you know, because G's are quite large pictures, you know what I mean? So you'd need a lot of space to hang them. And what Joanne has successfully done that it's actually really incredible, you can walk in one side and come out the other is brilliant. And you can do so much with this as well, you know, you can have a, I see so many people as well having these horsebox coffee shops around the country as well. And to see something like this, it's just something that's clever, and you can take your business which you carry it anywhere.
Aidan Power 6:21
Right, so Joanna's Instagram details are in the show notes. And you'll see all the before and after shots there. And remember, if you'd like to share a photo of some of your work that you're proud of, and share it with everyone listening as our photo of the week, you can just send us a WhatsApp photo and a voice note telling us about your project 2087 7754 triple five and that number is also in the show description. The younger construction podcast from Chadwick's get it automatically by clicking the Follow button on your podcast app.
Aidan Power 6:49
Sustainability and the environment are becoming more and more important to customers. So to find out more about building improvements, new regulation, and government incentives to grow this area, we're going to the IRS Green Building Council and their CEO Pat Berry. Pat, welcome to the podcast.
Pat Barry 7:03
Thank you. And thanks for inviting me.
Aidan Power 7:05
So Pat, sustainability in construction is much bigger than people think. And aside from constructing buildings, what are the considerations are there?
Pat Barry 7:14
Well, from the very beginning, in order to build buildings, we need land, we use land, we displace biodiversity, we take land that we need for growing crops to feed ourselves. So even at that most basic level, it takes space. So we have to be careful about how we plan buildings that we do it efficiently. We have to plan buildings as that they're actually close to where people live and work. Because otherwise we have people driving from their home to their work. And that itself results in a huge emissions. But then how we build those buildings, we have to build them in a way that they're very resource efficient. And that not only in terms of the energy they use, but in terms of the materials, they use. It China has poured more concrete in the past 10 years than the US poured in the entire 20th century. And when we think about the sheer level of consumption, we can't keep doing that, because we've got just one planet with a limited amount of resources. And we have a growing population that we have to live within the bounds of the planet.
Fred Cooke 8:26
That's funny you say that because since the beginning of this year, new buildings need to be up to end the standard. So for those who don't know, what is NZ,
Pat Barry 8:34
will they enzyme the enzyme is the nearly zero energy buildings standard. Now that was introduced by any European directive in 2010. It gave us 10 years that every country in Europe and the building regulations should be brought up to the nearly zero energy building standards. And that means buildings should use as very small amount of energy. And that a substantial amount of that at final energy use should be matched with renewable energy, things like things like photovoltaic systems on the roof for solar thermal, or heat pumps. Now we were given 10 years to implement implement that. And that was implemented through our building regulations, part L, conservation of fuel and energy. So and there is now no more or no less than the current building regulations. So it's nothing. It's not a new standard to aspire to. It's what you have to do now. If you're building a home, and even if you're renovating a home, you have to take it into consideration if you're doing a very large amount of work. And you're renovating more than 25% of the surface area
Aidan Power 9:54
and have the government Pat or indeed the EU, eu lay down targets on how many of those houses they Want to upgraded over a period of time in the coming years? And also is there? What would they be incentives or grants for people to renovate?
Pat Barry 10:10
Well, under the Climate Action Plan 2019 that the government released in 2019, one of their key actions is to renovate 500,000 homes to a B to standard by 2030. That is a real challenge too, because I suppose we renovated about 3000 last year, so we now have to ramp up to maybe 50,000 each year. And we'll towards the end of the decade, we'll have to be doing more to make up for the shortfall in the early years of this decade. So they are now looking at different options. You will have seen last week the government published its resilience and recovery plan. And under that they are proposing to provide low interest loans to homeowners to renovate their homes to be to standards.
Aidan Power 11:05
Okay, do you think those targets are achievable in the next nine years, but
Pat Barry 11:09
they're extremely challenging because it essentially requires building a whole new industry dedicated to renovation, but opens up massive opportunities for the trades to get involved in renovation?
Aidan Power 11:25
Okay, I made a note here, Pat, are under the heading drafty old house, because if you think about a lot of these properties, that are going to need the renovations the work that would go into that air tightness is key to energy conservation in a house. But then that leaves you with the problem of getting air in and out. So can you just give us a bit of an insight and some of your knowledge on how you control ventilation in a property that you're renovating?
Pat Barry 11:48
When I suppose there's a lot of confusion about ventilation and air tightness. Sometimes we think that if we make a house airtight, it will be unhealthy. And that is correct, we can't make we have to be careful that air tightness helps us control this, how air comes into a house. And like if the home isn't very airtight, like typically, a lot of our older homes haven't been designed with air tightness in mind, which means there's a lot of drafts around the windows under the floorboards coming through all the different junctions say for the soil pipe goes out through the wall to be drafts coming in there. Now, it's important to address that because that can dramatically reduce the amount of energy needed to heat the home. But at the same time, we have to bear in mind that if we make the house completely airtight, it becomes unhealthy. And that's why we have to have a ventilation solution and designed ventilation solution that always guarantees that there's good quality air within the house. And then sometimes we say Well, why don't we just leave it drafty. And that'll take care of that. But that means then that you've got air coming in, in all sorts of locations. You've also air going damp, moist air from inside the house going out of the house. And that's then coming in contact with cold surfaces, causing mold growth around those junctions where I'm the junctions where it's escaping. And that's not healthy for the best way to do it and make your home airtight. And then design a proper ventilation system that ensures that the home is always adequately ventilated.
Aidan Power 13:38
Okay, would that be something like air conditioning?
Pat Barry 13:41
Well air not air conditioning as such air conditioning is when we cooled down or we treat the air coming into the home. It's more system like it can be a demand control ventilation system, which is the simpler type of ventilation system. So a demand control ventilation system detects that through humidity sensors. When the quality of the air internally is not very good and it continually acts it's it starts to extract air from the home and pull in fresh air until the air quality in the house improves. And now there's more complex systems like heat recovery ventilation systems, which are a bit more expensive, and they continually recirculate The, the air in the home. They bring in fresh air and they pass it through a heat exchanger exchanging the stale air that is going out that stale air that is going out of the house warms up the fresh air that is coming in. So it means it's a more efficient way of ventilating the house but it means you need more ducks so it can be a little bit more challenging to install in In an existing home Reza demand control ventilation system, you will have, you know, maybe then you will have those vents that you have in the wall. But they, they're slightly more intelligent vents that they open when it detects that air is needed. And there's a separate extract unit, maybe in the bathroom, that extracts air through the house, and, and pulls the air in through the vents to keep a continuous flow of fresh air within the house.
Fred Cooke 15:31
A lot of meet friends of mine at the moment are talking to me about how important water is, as an energy conservation. How does how does this work? Well, I
Pat Barry 15:40
suppose before we would not have thought of water as being one of the major contributors to energy use in a home. But as we make our homes more energy efficient, it would typically we think of the heating systems. And traditionally, in an older house heating uses the most energy. But as we build new homes, and say under the current regulations, and particularly if it's an apartment or a terrorist home, a new terrorist home, the heating, the heating required is actually very low. And quite often the the energy to heat the water is now greater than the energy needed to heat the house. Now, there's quite simple ways of reducing the requirement to heat the water just using less water. And that can be simply by putting in water efficient showers and, and taps. And it's a very cheap way of cutting energy use within the home.
Aidan Power 16:41
okeydoke some good tips there. Now, earlier on, Pat, you mentioned about people in the trade registered builders and these new schemes. You have an app Pat at the Irish Green Building Council. What is it? And where can we get it?
Pat Barry 16:53
We have we launched I think 18 months ago, a build up skills up. This is designed to help building trades to find courses in their area, and to allow them to scale up and we're adding courses all the time. And also building professionals who want to learn more and find out what courses are available from the different institutions. They can download the app and find out what's going on in their area and what areas they can scale up and
Aidan Power 17:27
sounds very useful. It's called the bill of skills app and you will get it on the Apple or Android stores. Hey, Pat, it's great to chat. Thank you for all your information on the podcast this week. But stick around because you'll be playing our pod quiz in a few minutes time.
This is the under construction podcast from chadwicks. Arlen's leading builders, merchants and Home Improvement specialists.
Aidan Power 17:56
We have a competition going on where we want to start you out with something in chadwicks that maybe is a luxury or on a wish list for you something you want but you don't want to drop a couple 100 quid on it. And we call that thing that to love dreams and every week before we hear a joke, Fred sings us a jingle and I challenge him to do it in a particular style. So this week Fred I think you should try and get the word dreams in there somewhere dream think I'm thinking obviously the cranberries comes to mind Yeah, or one of my favorite 90s singers Gabrielle
Fred Cooke 18:25
just love the 90s on Jane
Aidan Power 18:27
lovers. were children of the 90s are you just a young get to be
Fred Cooke 18:31
the 80s 90s and a naughty I became a naughty man.
Aidan Power 18:36
Okay, so I'm thinking cranberries which would be cool. Or Gabrielle for a bit of 90s nostalgia
Fred Cooke 18:42
you know you got
Aidan Power 18:45
to be strong so what you're thinking strap on the guitar there and let's have Gabrielle Sing us the tool of dreams right?
Fred Cooke 18:52
That to love dreams can come true Sanders a joke is all you got to do you know you got to do love dreams do love dream.
Aidan Power 19:09
wish this was a video because you could have worn an eyepatch as well. Right to get your tool of dreams out we're asking you to do is send us a WhatsApp voice note which a joke or a funny story. 2087 7754 triple five now the 10 we use across the podcast series are all in the draw to win the tool of dreams next month. So here is this week's contender. It's Greg and Ross common
Unknown Speaker 19:30
love in the podcast. Great joke for you there. Do they allow loud laughing in Hawaii? Or is it just the Aloha? I think that's the best one. Yeah.
Fred Cooke 19:52
I'm getting an instinct. My instinct for that character is that he just taught us unreal. He had that moment a two point moment. When you're when your mind is creative enough for us not drunk enough? Yes. And that's what that's what it all comes from and yeah, brilliant, brilliant.
Aidan Power 20:08
That's the sweet spot.
Fred Cooke 20:09
How do you work backwards from doubt to come up with such a brilliant job?
Aidan Power 20:14
Greg, we like it. And you are in the draw for the tool of dreams. And so thank you very much. Now if you have a joke that beats that you know what to do? Send us a WhatsApp message with your joke. Oh, eight 777 54 triple five. And that number is in the show description on your phone right now.
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Aidan Power 20:43
Sustainability may be good for the planet. But it's also good for our wallets. And as we've heard, there is a lot of work out there. So to find out more about the tools needed, we have chadwicks, regional manager, David couch joining us. So let's talk about sustainability. Are you noticing an uptick with trades coming in to work on house upgrades? Is it becoming more popular?
David Calt 21:02
Yeah, certainly aided in the in the last number of years and the government with SCA have committed to ensuring housing stock bought in the new build perspective and retrofits is is up to standard. And as part of the government's 2050 Climate Action Plan. And they have committed to upgrading are doing a deep retrofit on 500,000 homes by 2030. So in essence 50,000 a year, which is fairly ambitious for them. It should definitely open up doors to trades to to get involved in work that they wouldn't be currently doing or haven't done in the past.
Aidan Power 21:47
Let's talk about the most popular upgrades. And maybe you'll tell us a bit about each of them. We'll start with circulating pumps, have they improved in the last few years, David?
David Calt 21:54
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And the new new technologies in any sort of electrical item that goes into a house is no smart reading, and will and we'll measure only what it needs to use. So so for example, traditionally, your turn on your heating your pump goes on, you might only be hitting one room, your pump will run at maximum and at the maximum performance of the pump. But now they ramp up and down depending on what the pump needs to do or depending what area their house needs to be heated.
Fred Cooke 22:30
I love the next one because I'm always on my phone. And what's this about heating controls via Wi Fi.
David Calt 22:36
Yeah, well heating controls have been have been around for a while Fred was for Do you know we're in the internet age or in the smartphone age. And you can now control your heating from an app on your phone, you can separate your your your heating into half water and space heating, you can further then separate your space heating into into living areas, bedroom areas. And it's all controlled via an app on your phone. Or through thermostats that measure the room temperature. So you're always at a constant level of comfort. Depending on the time depending on the person needs, you can heat your house on the way home you can amaze them you can call even coming home, turn on turn on your boiler turn on the zones you want to turn on put them on for whatever amount of time you want to put them on for
Fred Cooke 23:26
a solar power a big thing.
David Calt 23:29
Hey, Fred, solar solar about 15 years ago came on the scene in a big way. So there's two different types of solar you have solar thermal, which he's your hot water in your cylinder to provide you for showers and washing and, and that and then the second and the most recent type of solar is PV of voltaic, which is the same principle as solar thermal, both instead of creating hot water, that creates electricity. And that electricity is transferred into into usable electricity into fuels for to offset the costs of you know, if you had a heat pump or heat recovery system, solar thermal is is not as common as it used to be. And PV seems to be paving the way in the solar used. I know the government have recently committed to offering a payback tariff, where over production of electricity will be fed back into the grid. Customers can get it can get a payback, obviously, depending on the amount of solar you have, and the time of day where you get the most solar gain that the other option would would PV is that that overproduction of energy will be diverted into your motion to heat your hot water and your cylinder. Yeah. And it's also possible to get a battery that will and store electricity, you know, people out with the homes. Ordinarily what Oh, COVID more During the day and that's when you're going to get the highest and highest solar gain. So it will store that power. And then you can use that power then when when when there's occupancy in the house, you know, at the most needed time. David What about acid conversions with more more people staying put in the houses doing upgrades? Are you seeing many customers and tradespeople coming into Chadwick's needing materials and supplies for
Aidan Power 25:23
David Calt 25:25
Yes certainly yes was a lot of people are setting up home offices under the upgrade in their houses more so so there is there is a big uptick in attic conversions. And as part of attic conversions, you know, you have to ensure that there's good air tightness there's good ventilation and and of course insulation is is key because often in roof spaces, you know, your your your ceiling tiles or your roof tiles and then it's it's can be quite difficult to insulate and key piece and
Aidan Power 25:53
now a lot of this is not new, but sustainability is more important for customers and how are Chadwick staff kept up to speed they
David Calt 26:00
will we will deal with this an awful lot of local as a local I mean, I use suppliers that train our staff in the latest technologies and and building regulations and so the you know, we there's been a lot of training don't over over COVID when when people have been working from home and there is online there are a lot of Australians are creating online modules that that our sales staff would be would be taking part in. And look there's a big focus in the you know, the government's commitment to upgrade so many houses, it's all it's almost a niche market. So it's important that our staff are up to speed and they are up to speed and we recently put in eco center into our branch in Galway, which is sort of a live demo of all the products you need from from an N Zed build to a deep retrofit and a shallow retrofit to give customers the experience of what can be kind of daunting for them you know a lot of the products that are involved will always be kept in storage areas and and it's hard to see what they will look like look like and what what they will do but but our eco centric gallery will give that experience to customers and our sales staff or colleagues will all be trained to a level where they can give the best advice.
Aidan Power 27:26
Well that will be hugely beneficial and is already at in Galway and we hope to see eco centers around in further Chadwick stores. David, it's been really great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us on the podcast. Thanks, guys.
Trade talk tips and boundaries. This is the under construction podcast from chadwicks pledge getting done.
Aidan Power 27:46
Now Pat Barry is back at us. Pat, you are about to play our pod quiz on behalf of one of our chadwicks customer this week. It's Jenny Ryan. Fred, tell us a bit about Jenny.
Fred Cooke 27:55
Jenny is a quantity surveyor from Slidell. He says nice things about the show. It's been a challenge but I've written a song so she can exclusively as her voice answering message. Have it on her phone. The only thing stopping her it's up. Don't let her down the pressure.
Aidan Power 28:12
Here's how it's going to work for Jenny to get her bespoke voice message that Fred poured his heart and soul into. You have to get three questions right in the next 60 seconds. Are you ready? Ready? pack which country is known as the land of the windmills? Holland is correct.
Fred Cooke 28:32
Pass. Who is the current minister of the environment? Ayman Ryan? Correct.
Aidan Power 28:37
Okay, Pat by 2014. The world's population is expected to rise to seven nine or 12,009,000,030 9 billion is the right answer.
Fred Cooke 28:49
True or false charges was founded by Chad Rick Kruger. True or false? True.
Aidan Power 29:01
False. True or false and net zero home needs to be hoovered less? Yes. Yeah, we think so. Less dossier. Well done. Right by mighty fine effort on the pod quiz this week. I think the only one you got wrong was the founder of chatter.
Pat Barry 29:22
That might be quite embarrassing, actually. is Chad Chad Krueger someone famous some celebrity or
Aidan Power 29:30
famous, but but not for working in the construction trade. Chad Kruger is a singer of a band and you'll know the band. He's the singer of Nickelback. Alright, fair enough. I didn't get that one. Patrick Atkinson probably kill me. great effort. And that means Jenny, our quantity surveyor gets her song taken away for it.
Fred Cooke 29:52
You reach the phone, Jenny. That is no you blame him? Cuz I'm Toby. elevens lag away and quantity survey in the lead.
Aidan Power 30:09
Oh, just think pad if you hadn't got more than three right Jenny would never have heard that. And that's just too sad to contemplate.
Fred Cooke 30:15
I think you should have given part an extra 60 seconds because before we went past that definitely took about 30 seconds.
Aidan Power 30:26
Well, if you'd like Fred to do your voicemail message, just send us a WhatsApp 2087 7754 triple five Of course, you'll find that number is always in the show description. Pat Barry, thank you so much for joining us on this week's podcast. Thank you. Well, that's it for this week's podcast. Fred, what did we learn this week?
Fred Cooke 30:43
Well, I personally learned myself I learned so much about sustainability that I've decided to recycle all my old jokes and also with that joke as well i think you know if if a wine people say hello then surely we can say goodbye. Yeah.
Aidan Power 30:57
Oh, good God, right. It's definitely a goodbye. Thanks to pat Mary from the Irish Green Building Council to chadwicks Regional Manager David cows, and to you for listening before we go remember if you want our WhatsApp number to win our competition or send in your photo of the week, our contact details are in the show notes along with all the details and links for our show today. We will be back with you for another podcast next Monday. And remember to hit the Follow button on your podcast app to get under construction every week. So until next time for me Aiden power and Fred cook your Bollea.
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Date: 14th Jun 2021